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Application No. 18/925,252

TIMING ADVANCE OBTAINING METHOD AND APPARATUS

Non-Final OA §102§103
Filed
Oct 24, 2024
Priority
Apr 27, 2022 — CN 202210455597.3 +1 more
Examiner
KHAWAR, SAAD
Art Unit
Tech Center
Assignee
Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
OA Round
1 (Non-Final)
85%
Grant Probability
Favorable
1-2
OA Rounds
5m
Est. Remaining
94%
With Interview

Examiner Intelligence

Grants 85% — above average
85%
Career Allowance Rate
313 granted / 368 resolved
+25.1% vs TC avg
Moderate +9% lift
Without
With
+8.8%
Interview Lift
resolved cases with interview
Typical timeline
2y 5m
Avg Prosecution
39 currently pending
Career history
405
Total Applications
across all art units

Statute-Specific Performance

§101
3.0%
-37.0% vs TC avg
§103
55.6%
+15.6% vs TC avg
§102
15.5%
-24.5% vs TC avg
§112
18.9%
-21.1% vs TC avg
Black line = Tech Center average estimate • Based on career data from 368 resolved cases

Office Action

§102 §103
Notice of Pre-AIA or AIA Status The present application, filed on or after March 16, 2013, is being examined under the first inventor to file provisions of the AIA . In the event the determination of the status of the application as subject to AIA 35 U.S.C. 102 and 103 (or as subject to pre-AIA 35 U.S.C. 102 and 103) is incorrect, any correction of the statutory basis (i.e., changing from AIA to pre-AIA ) for the rejection will not be considered a new ground of rejection if the prior art relied upon, and the rationale supporting the rejection, would be the same under either status. Claim Rejections - 35 USC § 102 The following is a quotation of the appropriate paragraphs of 35 U.S.C. 102 that form the basis for the rejections under this section made in this Office action: A person shall be entitled to a patent unless – (a)(1) the claimed invention was patented, described in a printed publication, or in public use, on sale, or otherwise available to the public before the effective filing date of the claimed invention. Claim(s) 1, 3, 7, 9, 11, 13, 17, and 19 is/are rejected under 35 U.S.C. 102(a)(1) as being anticipated by Zhang (US 20210219255 A1). Regarding claim 1, Zhang discloses: “A timing advance obtaining method, comprising: receiving, by a terminal device, first information from a network device, wherein the first information indicates the terminal device to perform random access to a first cell, and the first cell is a non-serving cell of the terminal device;” ([¶ 0051]: “As shown in FIG. 3, and by reference number 310, the serving cell may transmit a physical downlink control channel (PDCCH) order to the UE 120. The PDCCH order may trigger transmission, by the UE 120, of a RACH preamble on the non-serving cell.”) “sending, by the terminal device, a random access preamble corresponding to the first cell to the network device based on the first information; and” ([¶ 0050]: “The serving cell and the non-serving cell can be provided by the same BS 110...”; [¶ 0052]: “As shown by reference number 320, the UE 120 may transmit a RACH preamble on the non-serving cell based at least in part on the PDCCH order.”) “receiving, by the terminal device, a random access response message from the network device, wherein the random access response message comprises a first timing advance corresponding to the first cell.” ([¶ 0053]: “As shown by reference numbers 350 and 360, the UE 120 may receive a RACH response on the serving cell (e.g., a PCell, SCell, or SPCell) and/or the non-serving cell. For example, the RACH response may identify the timing advance.”) Regarding claim 3, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang further discloses “receiving, by the terminal device, configuration information of the first cell from the network device, wherein the configuration information comprises one or more of the identifier of the first cell, synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) information corresponding to the first cell, or random access information of the first cell, the SSB information corresponding to the first cell comprises one or more of an SSB set, an SSB periodicity, or SSB transmit power, and the random access information of the first cell comprises one or more of random access preamble information, random access channel occasion information, or an association relationship between an SSB and a random access channel occasion.” ([¶ 0054]: “In some aspects, the non-serving cell to which the timing advance relates may be identified by a physical cell identifier (PCI) of the non-serving cell. In some aspects, a non-serving cell (e.g., each non-serving cell) may be associated with a corresponding TAG identifier, which may be signaled to the UE 120 using radio resource control (RRC) signaling, a MAC control element (MAC-CE), downlink control information (DCI), and/or the like.”) Regarding claim 7, Zhang discloses: “A timing advance obtaining method, comprising: sending, by a network device, first information to a terminal device, wherein the first information indicates the terminal device to perform random access to a first cell, and the first cell is a non-serving cell of the terminal device;” ([¶ 0051]: “As shown in FIG. 3, and by reference number 310, the serving cell may transmit a physical downlink control channel (PDCCH) order to the UE 120. The PDCCH order may trigger transmission, by the UE 120, of a RACH preamble on the non-serving cell.”) “receiving, by the network device from the terminal device, a random access preamble corresponding to the first cell;” ([¶ 0050]: “The serving cell and the non-serving cell can be provided by the same BS 110...”; [¶ 0052]: “As shown by reference number 320, the UE 120 may transmit a RACH preamble on the non-serving cell based at least in part on the PDCCH order.”) “determining, by the network device, a first timing advance of the first cell based on the random access preamble; and” ([¶ 0052]: “The UE 120 may transmit the RACH preamble so that the BS 110 associated with the serving cell and/or the B S 110 associated with the non-serving cell can determine a timing advance for the UE 120 based at least in part on a transmission time or RACH resource associated with the RACH preamble and a propagation delay associated with the RACH preamble.”) “sending, by the network device, a random access response message to the terminal device, wherein the random access response message comprises the first timing advance.” ([¶ 0053]: “As shown by reference numbers 350 and 360, the UE 120 may receive a RACH response on the serving cell (e.g., a PCell, SCell, or SPCell) and/or the non-serving cell. For example, the RACH response may identify the timing advance.”) Regarding claim 9, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang further discloses “sending, by the network device, configuration information of the first cell to the terminal device, wherein the configuration information comprises one or more of the identifier of the first cell, synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) information corresponding to the first cell, or random access information of the first cell, the SSB information corresponding to the first cell comprises one or more of an SSB set, an SSB periodicity, or SSB transmit power, and the random access information of the first cell comprises one or more of random access preamble information, random access channel occasion information, or an association relationship between an SSB and a random access channel occasion.” ([¶ 0054]: “In some aspects, the non-serving cell to which the timing advance relates may be identified by a physical cell identifier (PCI) of the non-serving cell. In some aspects, a non-serving cell (e.g., each non-serving cell) may be associated with a corresponding TAG identifier, which may be signaled to the UE 120 using radio resource control (RRC) signaling, a MAC control element (MAC-CE), downlink control information (DCI), and/or the like.”) Claims 11, 13, 17, and 19 are similar to claims 1, 3, 7, and 9 with the differences amounting to that claims 1, 3, 7, and 9 are directed towards a method while claims 11, 13, 17, and 19 are directed towards an apparatus containing generic hardware. Such hardware is taught by Zhang in Fig. 2. Thus, claims 11, 13, 17, and 19 are rejected for similar reasons to claims 1, 3, 7, and 9. Claim Rejections - 35 USC § 103 The following is a quotation of 35 U.S.C. 103 which forms the basis for all obviousness rejections set forth in this Office action: A patent for a claimed invention may not be obtained, notwithstanding that the claimed invention is not identically disclosed as set forth in section 102, if the differences between the claimed invention and the prior art are such that the claimed invention as a whole would have been obvious before the effective filing date of the claimed invention to a person having ordinary skill in the art to which the claimed invention pertains. Patentability shall not be negated by the manner in which the invention was made. The factual inquiries for establishing a background for determining obviousness under 35 U.S.C. 103 are summarized as follows: 1. Determining the scope and contents of the prior art. 2. Ascertaining the differences between the prior art and the claims at issue. 3. Resolving the level of ordinary skill in the pertinent art. 4. Considering objective evidence present in the application indicating obviousness or nonobviousness. Claim(s) 2, 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16, 18 and 20 is/are rejected under 35 U.S.C. 103 as being unpatentable over Zhang (US 20210219255 A1) in view of Chen (US 20160205705 A1). Regarding claim 2, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the first information comprises one or more of an identifier of the first cell, a synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) identifier corresponding to the first cell, an identifier of the random access preamble, a random access channel occasion indication, or a physical random access channel mask index.” However, Chen discloses the missing feature “wherein the first information comprises one or more of an identifier of the first cell, a synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) identifier corresponding to the first cell, an identifier of the random access preamble, a random access channel occasion indication, or a physical random access channel mask index.” ([¶ 0173]: “Here, the PDCCH order contains an identifier of cell 3, which may specifically be a cell identifier or a serving cell identifier or another indication method for indicating cell 3. The PDCCH order also contains the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE, and it is supposed that the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE is 60.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Chen, to modify the PDCCH order as disclosed by Zhang, to include cell and preamble identifiers as disclosed by Chen. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility in an efficient manner. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Chen to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Regarding claim 4, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the first cell and the random access preamble identifier are indicated by the first information.” However, Chen discloses the missing feature “wherein the first cell and the random access preamble identifier are indicated by the first information.” ([¶ 0173]: “Here, the PDCCH order contains an identifier of cell 3, which may specifically be a cell identifier or a serving cell identifier or another indication method for indicating cell 3. The PDCCH order also contains the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE, and it is supposed that the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE is 60.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Chen, to modify the PDCCH order as disclosed by Zhang, to include cell and preamble identifiers as disclosed by Chen. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility in an efficient manner. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Chen to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Regarding claim 6, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the first information comprises a field, and the field is used to indicate a serving cell or the first cell.” However, Chen discloses the missing feature “wherein the first information comprises a field, and the field is used to indicate a serving cell or the first cell.” ([¶ 0173]: “Here, the PDCCH order contains an identifier of cell 3, which may specifically be a cell identifier or a serving cell identifier or another indication method for indicating cell 3. The PDCCH order also contains the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE, and it is supposed that the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE is 60.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Chen, to modify the PDCCH order as disclosed by Zhang, to include a cell identifier field as disclosed by Chen. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility in an efficient manner. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Chen to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Regarding claim 8, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the first information comprises one or more of an identifier of the first cell, a synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) identifier corresponding to the first cell, an identifier of the random access preamble, a random access channel occasion indication, or a physical random access channel mask index.” However, Chen discloses the missing feature “wherein the first information comprises one or more of an identifier of the first cell, a synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) identifier corresponding to the first cell, an identifier of the random access preamble, a random access channel occasion indication, or a physical random access channel mask index.” ([¶ 0173]: “Here, the PDCCH order contains an identifier of cell 3, which may specifically be a cell identifier or a serving cell identifier or another indication method for indicating cell 3. The PDCCH order also contains the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE, and it is supposed that the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE is 60.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Chen, to modify the PDCCH order as disclosed by Zhang, to include cell and preamble identifiers as disclosed by Chen. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility in an efficient manner. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Chen to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Regarding claim 10, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the first information comprises a field, and the field is used to indicate a serving cell or the first cell.” However, Chen discloses the missing feature “wherein the first information comprises a field, and the field is used to indicate a serving cell or the first cell.” ([¶ 0173]: “Here, the PDCCH order contains an identifier of cell 3, which may specifically be a cell identifier or a serving cell identifier or another indication method for indicating cell 3. The PDCCH order also contains the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE, and it is supposed that the dedicated random access preamble index allocated to the UE is 60.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Chen, to modify the PDCCH order as disclosed by Zhang, to include a cell identifier field as disclosed by Chen. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility in an efficient manner. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Chen to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Claims 12, 14, 16, 18, and 20 are rejected for similar reasons to claims 2, 4, 6, 8, and 10. Claim(s) 5 and 15 is/are rejected under 35 U.S.C. 103 as being unpatentable over Zhang (US 20210219255 A1) in view of Zhu (US 20220210825 A1). Regarding claim 5, Zhang discloses all the features of the parent claim. Zhang does not explicitly disclose “wherein the sending, by the terminal device, the random access preamble corresponding to the first cell to the network device based on the first information comprises: sending, by the terminal device, the random access preamble to the network device based on a first synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) corresponding to an SSB identifier of the first cell.” However, Zhu discloses the missing feature “wherein the sending, by the terminal device, the random access preamble corresponding to the first cell to the network device based on the first information comprises: sending, by the terminal device, the random access preamble to the network device based on a first synchronization signal/physical broadcast channel block (SSB) corresponding to an SSB identifier of the first cell.” ([¶ 0217]: “For a PRACH transmission triggered by a PDCCH order, the PRACH mask index field (described in the 3GPP TS 38.212 clause 5), if the value of the random access preamble index field is not zero, could indicate the PRACH occasion for the PRACH transmission where the PRACH occasions are associated with the entity ID/SSB index associated with an entity ID indicated by the corresponding field(s) of the PDCCH order.”) It would have been obvious to one of ordinary skill in the art, before the effective filing date of the invention, having the teachings of Zhang and Zhu, to modify the random access preamble as disclosed by Zhang, to an SSB identifier as disclosed by Zhu. The motivation for doing so is that it increases flexibility. Therefore, it would have been obvious to combine Zhang with Zhu to obtain the invention as specified in the instant claim. Claim 15 is rejected for similar reasons to claim 5. Conclusion Any inquiry concerning this communication or earlier communications from the examiner should be directed to SAAD KHAWAR whose telephone number is (571)272-7948. The examiner can normally be reached Monday - Friday, 9:00am - 5:00pm. Examiner interviews are available via telephone, in-person, and video conferencing using a USPTO supplied web-based collaboration tool. To schedule an interview, applicant is encouraged to use the USPTO Automated Interview Request (AIR) at http://www.uspto.gov/interviewpractice. If attempts to reach the examiner by telephone are unsuccessful, the examiner’s supervisor, Charles Jiang can be reached at (571)-270-7191. The fax phone number for the organization where this application or proceeding is assigned is 571-273-8300. Information regarding the status of published or unpublished applications may be obtained from Patent Center. Unpublished application information in Patent Center is available to registered users. To file and manage patent submissions in Patent Center, visit: https://patentcenter.uspto.gov. Visit https://www.uspto.gov/patents/apply/patent-center for more information about Patent Center and https://www.uspto.gov/patents/docx for information about filing in DOCX format. For additional questions, contact the Electronic Business Center (EBC) at 866-217-9197 (toll-free). If you would like assistance from a USPTO Customer Service Representative, call 800-786-9199 (IN USA OR CANADA) or 571-272-1000. /SAAD KHAWAR/ Primary Examiner, Art Unit 2412
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Prosecution Timeline

Oct 24, 2024
Application Filed
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Non-Final Rejection mailed — §102, §103 (current)

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Expected OA Rounds
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Grant Probability
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